Dear all , (All Faculty members of Haryana Institute of Rural Development,Nilokheri)
I posed some queries to Mr. Surat singh to confirm us whether “Ranbir Singh, a sociologist who has worked extensively on castes in Haryana” is the same working with you as consultant. If not , shouted his help to give us some pointer to find him.
Seems Mr. Surat Singh is busy person so i didn’t receive a courtesy reply even.
So , I just want to expand my search , and posing same questions from all of you.
We just want to engage Mr Ranbir singh for a healthy discussion on his so called research work that surfaced in Tehelka article .If he wants , he can enlighten us on his other literally work .
Technology is at our side to carry out this discussion , we will use the Internet forum where we can present our views and counter views and can do on our sweet time and as per our convenience , from anywhere and anytime. A large no. of people will witness to this discussion from around the world So this will be in real “Panchayati” way , your favorite.
If Mr. Ranbir singh ji is a real scholar then he will certainly accept this invitation , and will defend his research . I still hope that his research will not be as vulnerable like a piece of rubbish.
I made myself clear and hope mr Ranbir singh willl not down play this sincere effort.
So , please convey this message to Mr. ranbir singh and help me to solve this “Ranbir singh- a sociologist” puzzle .
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Sunday, September 20, 2009
Finding Mr. Ranbir Singh
Mr. Surat Singh ji ,
An article was published recently in Tehelka magazine “A Taliban of our very Own” . writer of this article give reference of some MR. Ranbir Singh and took some part of their research paper as follows.
Ranbir Singh, a sociologist who has worked extensively on castes in Haryana gives an interesting explanation for the dominance of Khaps in Haryana. A research paper he has authored states, "Jats, being marginal farmers, have not only been bypassed by the process of economic development but have been further marginalized by it. This is because they could not take advantage of the Green Revolution due to their tiny and uneconomic land holdings, could not enter modern professions due to a lack of academic qualifications and could not take up some other occupations due to caste pride. Their lot has been made even more difficult by the processes of liberalisation, privatisation and globalisation. Their disenchantment with political leadership has made these pauperised peasants look backwards instead of forward."
We have a query :
Is the same Ranbir singh is working with you( Haryana Institute of Rural Development,Nilokheri) ?, if yes Please pass on my queries to him as he didn’t mention his email id , if not , than please help me in finding this real Ranbir singh .
My Queries to Mr. Ranbir Singh.
(1) Jats , being Marginal farmers : Sir , if Jat is marginal farmers , which other community has the larger land holdings than Jats in the bread basket of India ( Punjab,Haryana ,Western UP) ?. Are you taking term “Marginal” with respect to
Landholing of US , Australia or Canada . Or with some other part of India , then please compare the produce of land also. Highest farmers suicide are reported from Maharashtra , and other southern states and these farmers hold 20,30,40 acre of lands. I hardly hear any farmer suicide from bread basket reagion.
(2) have not only been bypassed by the process of economic development but have been further marginalized by it. This is because they could not take advantage of the Green Revolution due to their tiny and uneconomic land holdings : Sir , as far I know Haryana and Punjab are top of the chart of highest per capita income state wise . District wise, Muzaffarnagar ( Western UP) comes at No. 1 in terms of per capita income and at no. 8th in the world . One Thesil of Muzaffarnagr “Shamli” paid highest LIC premium . Apart from Metros , Muzaffarnagar spend highest on clothings.
These parameters clearly show , Jats reaped the benefit of green revolution and certainly not marginalized economically. Infect they make the green revolution successful. If not Jats then who reaped the benefits , please enlighten us.
(3) could not enter modern professions due to a lack of academic qualifications and could not take up some other occupations due to caste pride. Their lot has been made even more difficult by the processes of liberalisation, privatisation and globalisation.
Sir , don’t know on which planet you are living of late . If you have data please share ,.
(4) Their disenchantment with political leadership has made these pauperised peasants look backwards instead of forward."
Sir , “disenchantment” , When . Can any political party write them off in Haryana, Punjab, Rajashthan and western UP . These states ( sans W-UP) are having Jat CM regularly .
Literal meaning of “ Pauperize” is to make extremely poor , making them living on public charity. You would really need a good deal of temerity to justify such an absurd term . I’ve already written my view on it , Jats and jatland is producing daily diet for this country . You juts remove all the produce from this area and make a projection , 25 % population of this country will die because of starvation on your paper only.
So , Mr. Surat Singh and Mr. Ranbir singh ji, probably you can sense the resentment we have about the research paper , this was used by the writer of Tehlka article to further tarnish the image of Jat Community.
I’m not able to understand how can your institute patronize such a blunder .
We really want to listen your views or Mr. Ranbir singh’s view on it , all the members of “JatHistory” group spread across the world waiting for your reply.
Regards
Arvind Malik
( Please find attached , my reply on the article published in Tehelka , if you visit the Jathistory yahoo group , you can see the what other members feel . and at last ,we personally really don’t need any institute , professor or consultant to understand our community , it’s heritage and I’m sure these propaganda will not deter us from helping our community in all possible way and building a better future than today. )
An article was published recently in Tehelka magazine “A Taliban of our very Own” . writer of this article give reference of some MR. Ranbir Singh and took some part of their research paper as follows.
Ranbir Singh, a sociologist who has worked extensively on castes in Haryana gives an interesting explanation for the dominance of Khaps in Haryana. A research paper he has authored states, "Jats, being marginal farmers, have not only been bypassed by the process of economic development but have been further marginalized by it. This is because they could not take advantage of the Green Revolution due to their tiny and uneconomic land holdings, could not enter modern professions due to a lack of academic qualifications and could not take up some other occupations due to caste pride. Their lot has been made even more difficult by the processes of liberalisation, privatisation and globalisation. Their disenchantment with political leadership has made these pauperised peasants look backwards instead of forward."
We have a query :
Is the same Ranbir singh is working with you( Haryana Institute of Rural Development,Nilokheri) ?, if yes Please pass on my queries to him as he didn’t mention his email id , if not , than please help me in finding this real Ranbir singh .
My Queries to Mr. Ranbir Singh.
(1) Jats , being Marginal farmers : Sir , if Jat is marginal farmers , which other community has the larger land holdings than Jats in the bread basket of India ( Punjab,Haryana ,Western UP) ?. Are you taking term “Marginal” with respect to
Landholing of US , Australia or Canada . Or with some other part of India , then please compare the produce of land also. Highest farmers suicide are reported from Maharashtra , and other southern states and these farmers hold 20,30,40 acre of lands. I hardly hear any farmer suicide from bread basket reagion.
(2) have not only been bypassed by the process of economic development but have been further marginalized by it. This is because they could not take advantage of the Green Revolution due to their tiny and uneconomic land holdings : Sir , as far I know Haryana and Punjab are top of the chart of highest per capita income state wise . District wise, Muzaffarnagar ( Western UP) comes at No. 1 in terms of per capita income and at no. 8th in the world . One Thesil of Muzaffarnagr “Shamli” paid highest LIC premium . Apart from Metros , Muzaffarnagar spend highest on clothings.
These parameters clearly show , Jats reaped the benefit of green revolution and certainly not marginalized economically. Infect they make the green revolution successful. If not Jats then who reaped the benefits , please enlighten us.
(3) could not enter modern professions due to a lack of academic qualifications and could not take up some other occupations due to caste pride. Their lot has been made even more difficult by the processes of liberalisation, privatisation and globalisation.
Sir , don’t know on which planet you are living of late . If you have data please share ,.
(4) Their disenchantment with political leadership has made these pauperised peasants look backwards instead of forward."
Sir , “disenchantment” , When . Can any political party write them off in Haryana, Punjab, Rajashthan and western UP . These states ( sans W-UP) are having Jat CM regularly .
Literal meaning of “ Pauperize” is to make extremely poor , making them living on public charity. You would really need a good deal of temerity to justify such an absurd term . I’ve already written my view on it , Jats and jatland is producing daily diet for this country . You juts remove all the produce from this area and make a projection , 25 % population of this country will die because of starvation on your paper only.
So , Mr. Surat Singh and Mr. Ranbir singh ji, probably you can sense the resentment we have about the research paper , this was used by the writer of Tehlka article to further tarnish the image of Jat Community.
I’m not able to understand how can your institute patronize such a blunder .
We really want to listen your views or Mr. Ranbir singh’s view on it , all the members of “JatHistory” group spread across the world waiting for your reply.
Regards
Arvind Malik
( Please find attached , my reply on the article published in Tehelka , if you visit the Jathistory yahoo group , you can see the what other members feel . and at last ,we personally really don’t need any institute , professor or consultant to understand our community , it’s heritage and I’m sure these propaganda will not deter us from helping our community in all possible way and building a better future than today. )
(Body of email sent)
In the name of Honour (Out Look)
T.K. RAJALAKSHMI,
I went through your article “In the name of Honour” in your latest edition. However you tried in your best effort , still I feel some of the things has been lost in translation or not understood clearly .
Being part of Jat community and taking lot of pride in it . I would try to help you in understand some of points. I’ve taken some excerpt from the article and given my comments on those in ‘blue’.
Intolerant families and illegal caste panchayats kill young couples who marry in violation of traditional community norms.
(1) I will not touch the case of Intolerant families as this is very subjective and may found across India in different ratio, some of the cases in your article fall in this category.
Matters related to panchayats , clan , khap are needs to be put in right perspective.
Two terms used “ illegal” and “caste” here are misnomer as well as misplaced , if you are using these with reference of Khap Panchayats.
Reasons being , history of khap are dated back to 2500 BC , and found reference in Rig Veda . This was the first attempt made by the humanity to live in republic formation and since then it’s in fashion.
Text of Panini and Buddhist text give reference of 16 such republics.
If somebody term these illegal because Indian constitution doesn’t have reference of these , in that case you will have to term Rig veda , Panini and Buddhist text ,illegal too.
History and tradition of this community is much much older , with a written reference of more than 2500 BC old , and observed by the people since then . If we will see every thing from the angle of 58 years old constitution having 448 articles , I’m certain we will miss lots of thing . So constitution really need to enlarge his view .
Secondly, these are not “Cast panchayats” , this is very loose term to use here. Appropriate word here is Clan (Gotra) or Khap panchayat. . This is Indo Aryan race and organized ourselves into hundreds of patrilineage clans with very distinctive identity socially and culturally , these are not caste from puranic/Bhrahmenical Hindu angle. Social and cultural traditions are in line of Vedic traditions. While Khap is used in geographical term , a group of 84 villages.
According to the “brotherhood” principle on which khaps organise themselves, marriages cannot take place between people of different castes. Within the same caste, marriages should not take place between people of the same gotra.
Even when the gotras are different, people living in the same village or adjoining villages cannot marry.
(3) This is because social environment of village , In villages family are living since ages and every body knows everybody ,over the time these families generate trust on each other and people are free to visits each other places. This trust make the families to allow their daughters and women to walk freely in village and even help the male family members in field. This is very progressive image of this community where women are not confined to home even in villages , this is attributed to clan system .
Just Imagine now , if marriage is permissible with in village and nearby villages , people will start the looking at women from different eye . Males working in field would be worry about their women back home , consequently they will not allow their women to go out of home , because feeling of trust of brotherhood has gone.
This will not only shatter the social structure of villages , as well as will be very unfortunate for women folks.
Marriages that fall in the latter two categories are interpreted as tantamount to “incest”, though on account of the general paucity of girls and the difficulty in finding different gotras within the same caste group, some flexibility is allowed.
(4) Not able to understand what do mean by cast group , There are more than 2700 gotras in Indo-Aryan Jat race . So no question of paucity of gotras eligible for marriage.
The phenomenon is not confined to Haryana, and is common in western Uttar Pradesh, Punjab, rural Delhi and some areas in the South. Many reasons have been cited for the prevalence of such killings and harassment in the name of honour.
(5) We are left with two options , we allow every conjugal relationship as long as it’s fit under Hindu Marriage Act OR we put an stop on such relationship even though HMA allow these but our age old culture and tradition don’t allow these relationship , rationality has been explained in para (2) and (3) . In case of former ,it can ruin all the structure of Clan, Gotra and khap as well as social structure of villages. In order to avoid this anarchy and protect these for the next generations , community has no choice but to punish the offenders. In extreme cases punishment may lead to killing . This is bitter pill that community has to sallow to remain lively and healthy
If any killing is done by family then it’s “honour” and there be different reason behind it , very subjective in nature and not confined to any particular part of world. So I’m not touching it.
Among them were the absence of social reforms and the tendency to suppress the rights of the weaker sections within castes and between caste groups. Many view the phenomenon as an outcome of the stranglehold of patriarchy and caste.
These people followed every major social reformist , Gautam Budhha,Guru Nanak,Swami Dayanand Sharwasti.
What sort of social reform we need to have to allow marriage between brother and sister ? . Marriage in bloodline is not appropriate scientifically pl. refer last part of this write-up. Neither this is caste nor there are sections , in clan by the very definition and by your term of “ brotherhood” how can be sections there , here you might carried away by your different social experience.
Scientific reasons of avoiding marriage in bloodline.
Renowned DNA scientist James D Watson , endorse the view point of avoiding marriages in the bloodline as it’s reduce the genetic diseases. Our forefathers were aware of this fact much earlier.
BBC reported high number of birth related diseases in Muslim community in UK because of marriages in family.
Another BBC report suggest high number of microcephalics-babies born in Pakistan because of genetic diseases , also linked to marriages in bloodline.
Back home , Parsi are struggling with various genetic diseases and low potency and community has reached a level of wiped out from with in.
As per James D Watson , homosexuality too is a genetic disorder , as well as 70 % of eunuchs are from a religion which is 20 % in population .
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A Taliban of our very own-2
"A Taliban of our very own"This article was chilling enough but even more chilling was the rejoinder from a "Mr. Arvind" who had the temerity to defend the murderous actions of the Khap Panchayat.
He seemed confused also because on one side he terms the article as a "bundle of lies" but at the same time justifies the heinous actions & decrees, reminiscent of the Mullah's 'Fatwa' , of the Khap Panchyat.
Arvind’s comment : In my write-up I gave some facts to justify why I’m calling this article “ bundle of lies” .Did you refuted any of my points , on funny comments by some Ranbir singh , and rational behind the unacceptability of intra gotra marriage in clan system ?
I focused on core issue , “Same gotra marriage” , not wanted to mix with other issues because while the “Same Gotra Marriage “ has greater significance in our life and observed by entire community as well as has historical and scientific significance . While other issues in article are subjective in nature , not necessary entire community have the same belief on that . So I tried to put forward our opinion on that and tried to explain the rational so that outsider can have the insider’s point of view before jumping to conclusion.
So , did I justify Gender bias and abortion of female foetuses in my write –up , No. This is social evil and not limited to any social and geographical cluster bur present across india.
But it seems you have decided to not to take cognizance of other’s view on core issue and happy to live in prejudice , and recently watching a lot of news related to afpak because you are using the terms like Mullah ,Fatwa..etc freely.
He says they're keeping the 2000year old bloodline of the Jats clean & pure but I ask you, Mr. Arvind, why should a 'blood-thirsty" bloodline of these Stone-Age Jats be allowed to even exist leave alone function in this horrible and brutal manner.
Arvind’s comment : A set of rules, regulations (known as constitution) are required to function a society, nation , state. This indo Aryan race(nation) also has it’s time tested rules and regulations like “ unacceptability of intra gotra marriage” , and penalty for those who don’t follow the constitution of the nation .Major offender will be penalized majorly .If some one get penalized because not observing the constitution of State , would you call it “blood-thirsty” State ,probably not , because this is punishment from state.
Here constitution of our nation don’t see eye to eye with the constitution of State on “Same Gotra marriage” , because State looking at it from Hindu Marriage Act , which doesn’t support our tradition . So HMA should take count of our custom Or consider us Indo-Aryan not Hindu , to avoid the conflict between constitution of nation and state.
Just to correct you it’s not 2000 , it’s 2000 BC.
Renowned DNA scientist James D Watson , endorse the view point of avoiding marriages in the bloodline as it’s reduce the genetic diseases. Our forefathers were aware of this fact much earlier.
BBC reported high number of birth related diseases in Muslim community in UK because of marriages in family.
Another BBC report suggest high number of microcephalics-babies born in Pakistan because of genetic diseases , also linked to marriages in bloodline.
Back home , Parsi are struggling with various genetic diseases and low potency and community has reached a level of wiped out from with in.
As per James D Watson , homosexuality too is a genetic disorder , as well as 70 % of eunuchs are from a religion which is 20 % in population .
Now , you judge yourself that this tradition of avoiding intra Gotra marriage helping the race to keep all these genetic diseases at bay. This is a gift of our forefather to us. This is why this community is able to produce people of sound body , soul and mind. Just find out the players who shined at Olympic 2008 belongs to which race , you will find the answer.
So this is a concept of “rocket age” , now I help you what exactly comes under “stone age”
- Brahmin literature endorse and promote “Sati” system , even make temple at Sati site. Aryans believe in Vedas and observe widow marriage
- Visit widow ashrams of Mathura , Virandavan , Benaras and see the state of these young widows victim of brahmin orthodoxy and rampant physical abuse.
- Glorifying “Stones” and worshiping them and creating Purans under the false names , to kill scientific approach of whole population and exploit the ignorance of people and pushing them into severe ignorance.
- System of “Devdasi “ , for the physical pleasure of temple priest and his masters..
- Created gods in all shape and size , 33 crore if not wrong , and exploit the poor people from birth to death in the name of rituals.
- Depriving more than 80 % of country’s population ( dalits and woman) from their basic human rights , temples on the pretext false Sastras.
These and so many such practices have reduced the term “Hindu” into laughing stock in the eye of other religion.
So , those who are responsible for all these evil to society from ages , and still promoting ,shouldn’t have the right to exist .Raise you voice these exploitation .Historically these Brahmin/puranic people did more harm than goods to everything under the sun in this country.
Who gives them the right, Mr Arvind, to cold-bloodedly mow down people, gang rape women & burn them alive, commit whole-sale female foeticide, etc...?
Arvind’s cooment : Do you have any evidence whether Khap Panchayat ordered gang rape women ,burn alive , female feticides etc. Don’t go by heresy or your assumption and tarnish the image of khaps. Even a matter related to yadav and other community you wrongfully attributed to Tevatia Khap.
Sinful act of clan marriage can destroy the social fabrics of gotra and village social system , So this race punish the offenders as per their constitution of nation .
You seem to be an educated man, Mr Arvind, but I think that education is only skin-deep because no-one in their right senses, can defend 'honor killings', extortation, public floggings, lynchings, banning music and cricket, etc.
Arvind’s comment: How can you justify the marriage between brother and sister ?. This is more than a crime , it’s sin .I have no objection if somebody practice this in their family as it’s none of my business , but we will not allow this in our family and that is our clan . Our elders decide on such matters , and suggest some corrective action , in some cases it may be capital punishment considering the enormity and to establish clear “NO” for such behavior. This is not “honor Killing” , this is punishment.
Khap panchayts are not every day affair , distributing floggings orders on day to day basis on drop of hat . Their decision and orders are on the important issues only and far more serious affair than you projected . Refrain from creating an afpak impression . I search google not an single incidence of flogging order from Khap found .
If People are banning DJ or Cricet , just because these activities don’t go well with village life . Cricket is much more expensive than Kabbadi , Kho-Kho , wrestling , Volleyball , football . In village life there is no weekends , they can’t afford there man spend whole day in front of TV , if getting addicted to this. You people really need to develop social sensibility for other community..
Why don't you make better use of your education, try and bring them into the mainstream, expose them to the liberlised world and maybe they just might, just might, see the error of their ways.
Arvind’s comment: What is your definition of mainstream ? . Tell me on which parameter you want to judge the mainstream , historically , economically , politically , socially …etc. Don’t worry about us , this is our family affair and we believe on our elders since ages . If you really want to liberalized some one , it is poor peole of this country under the glitches of ponga pandits , get them liberalized first.
We have liberalized ourselves long ago as being Aryan and believers in Vedas . This has put us at loggerhead with this Brahmin/puranic mindset. This rotten mentality who has lost all the self confidence and pride long before , as all the aura they created was baseless and has been marginalized politically and socially . Things has reached to a point where they are seeking patronage under “Sushri Mayavati” . So these people with bated breath awaiting to be in mainstream not us.
Our race supported every reformist movement ,whether it is Mahatma Buddha , Guru Nanak , Maharshi Dayanand Sarashwati ,to counter the evil influence of Brahmin orthodoxy and to purge over self , we are way ahead on that front , you just need to gain some more knowledge , Internet may be a great help to you.
Neha deserves a medal for venturing into that 'blood thirsty country' of 'Jahil Jats" and lifting the lid from their heinous crimes.
Arvind’s comment :Now , you are showing your true color , loosing all your decency out of frustration or you are at loss of words in front of small hint of our glorious tradition and history , forefathers of these Jahil jats saved your filthy forefathers from Alexander , Hun , Temur lang and row of Muslim rulers , if your filthy forefathers and you remained HINDU under delhi sultanate , credit goes to this Aryan race. Unfortunately , we are doing the same today , as this race is the largest ethnic group in Indian army today.
You even don’t have to go out of delhi to visit these so called ‘blood thirsty country’ , Delhi was founded by Dhillon jats , still today more than 110 jat villages are in delhi’s periphery .
Our generation has responsibility to take the pride of our community to next level and give fittest reply to Joseph Goebbels of these days, those misrepresent the facts.
Neha certainly deserve the medal , “Joseph Goebbels” medal for propaganda , this is not uncommon now , as media persons falling over each other to create mountain out of mole to win the eyeballs among cut throat competition .After all you need “Breaking News” every day to run your shop.
Had this been the case as suggested in article , community could have jettisoned the tradition of “unacceptability of intra gotra marriage” .
I hope you're listening Mr. Huda and will take some action tho' so far we've not heard anything much and Mr. Chidambaram, saying "we must hang our heads in shame" is just not enough, in-fact its an admission of your inability to take aaction.
Arvind’s comment : Only sensible action these politician can take , is to amend the Hindu marriage act , to accommodate the tradition of community . Any other action will be misadventure and this may lead us to clear disassociation from the term “Hindu” and even to seek for a separate homeland “ Arya Desh” to protect our traditions.
But I still have faith in our Judiciary and I sincerely hope that in the days to come we shall see the disbanding of the Khaps and the guilty brought to book.
Arvind’s comment : Sorry to say, but your dream will not come true . Hue and cry by city slickers and a section of media on a non issue , is not even in the category on any threat that Khaps have seen in the past. These Khap panchayat deserve a lot of respect as these helped this country to evolve into a republic . These are not difficult to understand but one has to be free from prejudice and ready to gain some understanding and develop social sensibilities.
He seemed confused also because on one side he terms the article as a "bundle of lies" but at the same time justifies the heinous actions & decrees, reminiscent of the Mullah's 'Fatwa' , of the Khap Panchyat.
Arvind’s comment : In my write-up I gave some facts to justify why I’m calling this article “ bundle of lies” .Did you refuted any of my points , on funny comments by some Ranbir singh , and rational behind the unacceptability of intra gotra marriage in clan system ?
I focused on core issue , “Same gotra marriage” , not wanted to mix with other issues because while the “Same Gotra Marriage “ has greater significance in our life and observed by entire community as well as has historical and scientific significance . While other issues in article are subjective in nature , not necessary entire community have the same belief on that . So I tried to put forward our opinion on that and tried to explain the rational so that outsider can have the insider’s point of view before jumping to conclusion.
So , did I justify Gender bias and abortion of female foetuses in my write –up , No. This is social evil and not limited to any social and geographical cluster bur present across india.
But it seems you have decided to not to take cognizance of other’s view on core issue and happy to live in prejudice , and recently watching a lot of news related to afpak because you are using the terms like Mullah ,Fatwa..etc freely.
He says they're keeping the 2000year old bloodline of the Jats clean & pure but I ask you, Mr. Arvind, why should a 'blood-thirsty" bloodline of these Stone-Age Jats be allowed to even exist leave alone function in this horrible and brutal manner.
Arvind’s comment : A set of rules, regulations (known as constitution) are required to function a society, nation , state. This indo Aryan race(nation) also has it’s time tested rules and regulations like “ unacceptability of intra gotra marriage” , and penalty for those who don’t follow the constitution of the nation .Major offender will be penalized majorly .If some one get penalized because not observing the constitution of State , would you call it “blood-thirsty” State ,probably not , because this is punishment from state.
Here constitution of our nation don’t see eye to eye with the constitution of State on “Same Gotra marriage” , because State looking at it from Hindu Marriage Act , which doesn’t support our tradition . So HMA should take count of our custom Or consider us Indo-Aryan not Hindu , to avoid the conflict between constitution of nation and state.
Just to correct you it’s not 2000 , it’s 2000 BC.
Renowned DNA scientist James D Watson , endorse the view point of avoiding marriages in the bloodline as it’s reduce the genetic diseases. Our forefathers were aware of this fact much earlier.
BBC reported high number of birth related diseases in Muslim community in UK because of marriages in family.
Another BBC report suggest high number of microcephalics-babies born in Pakistan because of genetic diseases , also linked to marriages in bloodline.
Back home , Parsi are struggling with various genetic diseases and low potency and community has reached a level of wiped out from with in.
As per James D Watson , homosexuality too is a genetic disorder , as well as 70 % of eunuchs are from a religion which is 20 % in population .
Now , you judge yourself that this tradition of avoiding intra Gotra marriage helping the race to keep all these genetic diseases at bay. This is a gift of our forefather to us. This is why this community is able to produce people of sound body , soul and mind. Just find out the players who shined at Olympic 2008 belongs to which race , you will find the answer.
So this is a concept of “rocket age” , now I help you what exactly comes under “stone age”
- Brahmin literature endorse and promote “Sati” system , even make temple at Sati site. Aryans believe in Vedas and observe widow marriage
- Visit widow ashrams of Mathura , Virandavan , Benaras and see the state of these young widows victim of brahmin orthodoxy and rampant physical abuse.
- Glorifying “Stones” and worshiping them and creating Purans under the false names , to kill scientific approach of whole population and exploit the ignorance of people and pushing them into severe ignorance.
- System of “Devdasi “ , for the physical pleasure of temple priest and his masters..
- Created gods in all shape and size , 33 crore if not wrong , and exploit the poor people from birth to death in the name of rituals.
- Depriving more than 80 % of country’s population ( dalits and woman) from their basic human rights , temples on the pretext false Sastras.
These and so many such practices have reduced the term “Hindu” into laughing stock in the eye of other religion.
So , those who are responsible for all these evil to society from ages , and still promoting ,shouldn’t have the right to exist .Raise you voice these exploitation .Historically these Brahmin/puranic people did more harm than goods to everything under the sun in this country.
Who gives them the right, Mr Arvind, to cold-bloodedly mow down people, gang rape women & burn them alive, commit whole-sale female foeticide, etc...?
Arvind’s cooment : Do you have any evidence whether Khap Panchayat ordered gang rape women ,burn alive , female feticides etc. Don’t go by heresy or your assumption and tarnish the image of khaps. Even a matter related to yadav and other community you wrongfully attributed to Tevatia Khap.
Sinful act of clan marriage can destroy the social fabrics of gotra and village social system , So this race punish the offenders as per their constitution of nation .
You seem to be an educated man, Mr Arvind, but I think that education is only skin-deep because no-one in their right senses, can defend 'honor killings', extortation, public floggings, lynchings, banning music and cricket, etc.
Arvind’s comment: How can you justify the marriage between brother and sister ?. This is more than a crime , it’s sin .I have no objection if somebody practice this in their family as it’s none of my business , but we will not allow this in our family and that is our clan . Our elders decide on such matters , and suggest some corrective action , in some cases it may be capital punishment considering the enormity and to establish clear “NO” for such behavior. This is not “honor Killing” , this is punishment.
Khap panchayts are not every day affair , distributing floggings orders on day to day basis on drop of hat . Their decision and orders are on the important issues only and far more serious affair than you projected . Refrain from creating an afpak impression . I search google not an single incidence of flogging order from Khap found .
If People are banning DJ or Cricet , just because these activities don’t go well with village life . Cricket is much more expensive than Kabbadi , Kho-Kho , wrestling , Volleyball , football . In village life there is no weekends , they can’t afford there man spend whole day in front of TV , if getting addicted to this. You people really need to develop social sensibility for other community..
Why don't you make better use of your education, try and bring them into the mainstream, expose them to the liberlised world and maybe they just might, just might, see the error of their ways.
Arvind’s comment: What is your definition of mainstream ? . Tell me on which parameter you want to judge the mainstream , historically , economically , politically , socially …etc. Don’t worry about us , this is our family affair and we believe on our elders since ages . If you really want to liberalized some one , it is poor peole of this country under the glitches of ponga pandits , get them liberalized first.
We have liberalized ourselves long ago as being Aryan and believers in Vedas . This has put us at loggerhead with this Brahmin/puranic mindset. This rotten mentality who has lost all the self confidence and pride long before , as all the aura they created was baseless and has been marginalized politically and socially . Things has reached to a point where they are seeking patronage under “Sushri Mayavati” . So these people with bated breath awaiting to be in mainstream not us.
Our race supported every reformist movement ,whether it is Mahatma Buddha , Guru Nanak , Maharshi Dayanand Sarashwati ,to counter the evil influence of Brahmin orthodoxy and to purge over self , we are way ahead on that front , you just need to gain some more knowledge , Internet may be a great help to you.
Neha deserves a medal for venturing into that 'blood thirsty country' of 'Jahil Jats" and lifting the lid from their heinous crimes.
Arvind’s comment :Now , you are showing your true color , loosing all your decency out of frustration or you are at loss of words in front of small hint of our glorious tradition and history , forefathers of these Jahil jats saved your filthy forefathers from Alexander , Hun , Temur lang and row of Muslim rulers , if your filthy forefathers and you remained HINDU under delhi sultanate , credit goes to this Aryan race. Unfortunately , we are doing the same today , as this race is the largest ethnic group in Indian army today.
You even don’t have to go out of delhi to visit these so called ‘blood thirsty country’ , Delhi was founded by Dhillon jats , still today more than 110 jat villages are in delhi’s periphery .
Our generation has responsibility to take the pride of our community to next level and give fittest reply to Joseph Goebbels of these days, those misrepresent the facts.
Neha certainly deserve the medal , “Joseph Goebbels” medal for propaganda , this is not uncommon now , as media persons falling over each other to create mountain out of mole to win the eyeballs among cut throat competition .After all you need “Breaking News” every day to run your shop.
Had this been the case as suggested in article , community could have jettisoned the tradition of “unacceptability of intra gotra marriage” .
I hope you're listening Mr. Huda and will take some action tho' so far we've not heard anything much and Mr. Chidambaram, saying "we must hang our heads in shame" is just not enough, in-fact its an admission of your inability to take aaction.
Arvind’s comment : Only sensible action these politician can take , is to amend the Hindu marriage act , to accommodate the tradition of community . Any other action will be misadventure and this may lead us to clear disassociation from the term “Hindu” and even to seek for a separate homeland “ Arya Desh” to protect our traditions.
But I still have faith in our Judiciary and I sincerely hope that in the days to come we shall see the disbanding of the Khaps and the guilty brought to book.
Arvind’s comment : Sorry to say, but your dream will not come true . Hue and cry by city slickers and a section of media on a non issue , is not even in the category on any threat that Khaps have seen in the past. These Khap panchayat deserve a lot of respect as these helped this country to evolve into a republic . These are not difficult to understand but one has to be free from prejudice and ready to gain some understanding and develop social sensibilities.
(Body of email Correspondence )
A Taliban Of Our Very Own
Went through your article “ A Taliban of our very Own” , and found it bundle of lies , and inability to understand the social and custom of one of the race.
A few things I want to highlight :
(1) You mention some Ranbir singh in your last para . I’m asking you if Jats are marginal farmers and didn’t take the advantage of green revolution , then who is the land owner in Punjab , Haryana and western UP . These are Jat , Jat and Jat only.
Tell me which Indian district has the highest per capita income and 8th in world , believe me it’s not any of your industrilise district , it’s my native Muzaffarnagar in western UP and just because of agriculture.
Please get your facts right.
(2) We are Indo Aryan race and organized ourselves into hundreds of patrilineage clans with very distinctive identity socially and culturally so don’t look at us from puranic/Bhrahmenical Hindu angle. Our social and cultural traditions are different.
If our tradition and custom don’t fall under this puranic/Bhrahmenical Hindu religion , then we are not part of this so called Hindu we are happy to be known as “Indo Aryan” , a separate race. History support it to as we were never part and supporter of this puranic/Bhrahmenical Hindu religion. Even great social reformer and founder of Arya Samaj “ Maharashi Dayanand Sarashwati” in his book Satyaarth Prakash , shown this in one of illustration.
Having said we are organized on clan basis , every clan has written, known and distinctive history and these started from one family , so every clan member has blood relation so marriage with in clan is not acceptable. If Indian Constitution which is 50 yrs old doesn’t support our race ‘s tradition then it’s not our fault .We are going to maintain our traditions which are much more older and having a written history since 2000 BC .
If someone wants to marry within family they can do so by we will not allow this in our community ,we maintained blood purity since 2000 BC and we will not allow in dilution in it in future.
With one amendment in constitution , conflict between law of land and our custom can be avoided , anyway there are 5 amendments per year basis.
Pandavs asked 5 villages , Sonipat ,Panipat ,indrapast ,Tilpat and Bagpat all these are majorly Jat inhabitants. If are maintaining our blood linage unpolluted and we can track our ancestery clearly , why people have problems with it.
So no one can force us to not observe our custom and traditions , even Muslim rulers were not able to do so and we remained Aryan even though living around delhi . Malik Kafoor general of Allahudin Khilji , who destroyed the Vijyanagar kingdom down south , was defeated by Jats near hindon river when they tried to impose jajiya.
I can write endlessly , on our rich heritage and traditions , first understand these things before giving your comments on it and terming it “ Talibani” .
Don't creat false impression just because you people are more vocal than us and has media power with you. Pl. put the things in right prospective.
A few things I want to highlight :
(1) You mention some Ranbir singh in your last para . I’m asking you if Jats are marginal farmers and didn’t take the advantage of green revolution , then who is the land owner in Punjab , Haryana and western UP . These are Jat , Jat and Jat only.
Tell me which Indian district has the highest per capita income and 8th in world , believe me it’s not any of your industrilise district , it’s my native Muzaffarnagar in western UP and just because of agriculture.
Please get your facts right.
(2) We are Indo Aryan race and organized ourselves into hundreds of patrilineage clans with very distinctive identity socially and culturally so don’t look at us from puranic/Bhrahmenical Hindu angle. Our social and cultural traditions are different.
If our tradition and custom don’t fall under this puranic/Bhrahmenical Hindu religion , then we are not part of this so called Hindu we are happy to be known as “Indo Aryan” , a separate race. History support it to as we were never part and supporter of this puranic/Bhrahmenical Hindu religion. Even great social reformer and founder of Arya Samaj “ Maharashi Dayanand Sarashwati” in his book Satyaarth Prakash , shown this in one of illustration.
Having said we are organized on clan basis , every clan has written, known and distinctive history and these started from one family , so every clan member has blood relation so marriage with in clan is not acceptable. If Indian Constitution which is 50 yrs old doesn’t support our race ‘s tradition then it’s not our fault .We are going to maintain our traditions which are much more older and having a written history since 2000 BC .
If someone wants to marry within family they can do so by we will not allow this in our community ,we maintained blood purity since 2000 BC and we will not allow in dilution in it in future.
With one amendment in constitution , conflict between law of land and our custom can be avoided , anyway there are 5 amendments per year basis.
Pandavs asked 5 villages , Sonipat ,Panipat ,indrapast ,Tilpat and Bagpat all these are majorly Jat inhabitants. If are maintaining our blood linage unpolluted and we can track our ancestery clearly , why people have problems with it.
So no one can force us to not observe our custom and traditions , even Muslim rulers were not able to do so and we remained Aryan even though living around delhi . Malik Kafoor general of Allahudin Khilji , who destroyed the Vijyanagar kingdom down south , was defeated by Jats near hindon river when they tried to impose jajiya.
I can write endlessly , on our rich heritage and traditions , first understand these things before giving your comments on it and terming it “ Talibani” .
Don't creat false impression just because you people are more vocal than us and has media power with you. Pl. put the things in right prospective.
(Body of Email Correspondence )
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